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		<title>By: Summer Fun – Rant Redux #1 &#124; CloudAve</title>
		<link>http://www.horsepigcow.com/2009/12/no-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-52569</link>
		<dc:creator>Summer Fun – Rant Redux #1 &#124; CloudAve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this got me thinking about a post that Tara Hunt wrote. In a “biting the hand that feeds” move, she questioned what she was [...]</description>
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		<title>By: CyberPotato &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Alterweb</title>
		<link>http://www.horsepigcow.com/2009/12/no-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-52563</link>
		<dc:creator>CyberPotato &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Alterweb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to put my finger on it what it was, when I came across a blog post rather bitterly entitled &#8220;Is this Le Web or Le Clique?.&#8221; The author, Tara Hunt, explains that she left Silicon Valley to escape people &#8220;who [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to put my finger on it what it was, when I came across a blog post rather bitterly entitled &#8220;Is this Le Web or Le Clique?.&#8221; The author, Tara Hunt, explains that she left Silicon Valley to escape people &#8220;who [...]</p>
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		<title>By: François Nonnenmacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>François Nonnenmacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael Slattery: it already exists, it&#039;s the &quot;Paris Web&quot; conference, the conference for people who *make* the web with an obsession on quality and accessibility. It has been going very successfully since 2006 (even so we never talk about money, investors, entrepreneurs and egos ;-) and we&#039;ll do our 5th edition in 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael Slattery: it already exists, it&#8217;s the &#8220;Paris Web&#8221; conference, the conference for people who *make* the web with an obsession on quality and accessibility. It has been going very successfully since 2006 (even so we never talk about money, investors, entrepreneurs and egos <img src='http://www.horsepigcow.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  and we&#8217;ll do our 5th edition in 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: Internet Tech in Europe: LeWeb 2009</title>
		<link>http://www.horsepigcow.com/2009/12/no-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-52540</link>
		<dc:creator>Internet Tech in Europe: LeWeb 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the music felt very Californian. The smug, &#8220;we&#8217;re masters of the Tech universe&#8221; attitude was sometimes a bit hard to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bookmarks for December 9th through December 17th &#171; LostFocus</title>
		<link>http://www.horsepigcow.com/2009/12/no-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-52532</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookmarks for December 9th through December 17th &#171; LostFocus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is this Le Web or Le Clique? &#124; HPC &#8211; But here at Le Web 09, I feel like I&#8217;m staring that ugliness right in the eye. The program is mostly made up of the members and sycophants of the cartel mentioned above. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Is this Le Web or Le Clique? | HPC &#8211; But here at Le Web 09, I feel like I&rsquo;m staring that ugliness right in the eye. The program is mostly made up of the members and sycophants of the cartel mentioned above. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Brodock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Brodock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tara - 

Long time no talk :-)  I hope you&#039;re well.  I wanted to just say it&#039;s really refreshing to hear you say the above.  There are a lot of conferences etc that feel at least a little like what you&#039;ve described above.  SXSW, while fun and exciting (and yes, I&#039;m going again this year) has many of these attributes.  And it even comes out in the panel-picking process.  I&#039;ve got a pretty active role in an organization that focuses on digital activism (digiactive.org), and I contacted the two panels that were set up to discuss the topic to see if I might be able to participate (rather than try and nominate yet another one).... well, I got one response back that was... very literally.... &quot;thanks, but we have Clay Shirkey.&quot; (I use this example out of complete respect for Clay).  

Not only does it end up being a downer, but you also end up hearing the SAME VOICES over and over (and over).  In my opinion, people should be actively trying to spice it up!  

Anyway, I&#039;m glad someone of your stature spoke up.  All-in-all, the good thing about these events is that, while there may be egos, there are also plenty of really great down-to-earth-and-just-as-smart-if-not-smarter individuals to spend time with and learn from.

Hope you&#039;re enjoying Montreal, I&#039;m across the big lake in Central New York and we&#039;re getting some snow.... I&#039;ll bet you guys are skiing up there already.

Cheers,
kate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tara &#8211; </p>
<p>Long time no talk <img src='http://www.horsepigcow.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   I hope you&#8217;re well.  I wanted to just say it&#8217;s really refreshing to hear you say the above.  There are a lot of conferences etc that feel at least a little like what you&#8217;ve described above.  SXSW, while fun and exciting (and yes, I&#8217;m going again this year) has many of these attributes.  And it even comes out in the panel-picking process.  I&#8217;ve got a pretty active role in an organization that focuses on digital activism (digiactive.org), and I contacted the two panels that were set up to discuss the topic to see if I might be able to participate (rather than try and nominate yet another one)&#8230;. well, I got one response back that was&#8230; very literally&#8230;. &#8220;thanks, but we have Clay Shirkey.&#8221; (I use this example out of complete respect for Clay).  </p>
<p>Not only does it end up being a downer, but you also end up hearing the SAME VOICES over and over (and over).  In my opinion, people should be actively trying to spice it up!  </p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m glad someone of your stature spoke up.  All-in-all, the good thing about these events is that, while there may be egos, there are also plenty of really great down-to-earth-and-just-as-smart-if-not-smarter individuals to spend time with and learn from.</p>
<p>Hope you&#8217;re enjoying Montreal, I&#8217;m across the big lake in Central New York and we&#8217;re getting some snow&#8230;. I&#8217;ll bet you guys are skiing up there already.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
kate</p>
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		<title>By: Community-Chest &#187; Bookmarks for décembre 10th through décembre 11th</title>
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		<dc:creator>Community-Chest &#187; Bookmarks for décembre 10th through décembre 11th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] No comment Is this Le Web or Le Clique? &#124; HPC &#8211; I was taught that if I can&#039;t say anything nice, don&#039;t say anything at all. This applies to my official blogger position at Le Web 09 thusfar. I can be [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Le Web Overview &#124; HPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Le Web Overview &#124; HPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I had several emails, DMs and comments (both on my blog and in-person) from people agreeing with my post on this topic. Michael Slattery commented to say, &#8220;This is their web, not mine. It’s the web of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I had several emails, DMs and comments (both on my blog and in-person) from people agreeing with my post on this topic. Michael Slattery commented to say, &#8220;This is their web, not mine. It’s the web of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Slattery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Slattery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 00:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha, this is the post I was waiting for. I thought Leweb 09 was fantastic; Loic and Geraldine did a great job. And as a total outsider I was braced to suffer from the pervasive elitism. But coming out of those two rich and rewarding days I see more clearly something that had been cloudy for me until then. This is their web, not mine. It&#039;s the web of millionaires who rise above the crowd, of giant corporations, of cliques and elites who wield influence and power. Let them do their thing; it was a great show. But let&#039;s organize another show for the other web, the web of small companies that stay small, of unsung bloggers, of the army of anonymous contributors to wikis and open software projects.  We could call it &quot;l&#039;autre web&quot; or some such (maybe the &quot;alterweb&quot;), and feature speakers like Richard Stallman, Mitch Kapor, Howard Rheingold, Kevin Kelly, Kathy Sierra and Doc Searls. Any takers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha, this is the post I was waiting for. I thought Leweb 09 was fantastic; Loic and Geraldine did a great job. And as a total outsider I was braced to suffer from the pervasive elitism. But coming out of those two rich and rewarding days I see more clearly something that had been cloudy for me until then. This is their web, not mine. It&#8217;s the web of millionaires who rise above the crowd, of giant corporations, of cliques and elites who wield influence and power. Let them do their thing; it was a great show. But let&#8217;s organize another show for the other web, the web of small companies that stay small, of unsung bloggers, of the army of anonymous contributors to wikis and open software projects.  We could call it &#8220;l&#8217;autre web&#8221; or some such (maybe the &#8220;alterweb&#8221;), and feature speakers like Richard Stallman, Mitch Kapor, Howard Rheingold, Kevin Kelly, Kathy Sierra and Doc Searls. Any takers?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back at the first LeWeb conference in 2006, I remember Loïc calling it an &quot;unconference&quot;. Yes, an unconference, like BarCamp. This was before he decided to invite Shimon Peres up on stage, followed by a string of French politicians.

I blogged it furiously back then - http://tommorris.org/blog/2006/12/12

Thank you for breaking the silence this year and risking being thought of as &quot;negative&quot; for pointing out that LeWeb is Le Clique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back at the first LeWeb conference in 2006, I remember Loïc calling it an &#8220;unconference&#8221;. Yes, an unconference, like BarCamp. This was before he decided to invite Shimon Peres up on stage, followed by a string of French politicians.</p>
<p>I blogged it furiously back then &#8211; <a href="http://tommorris.org/blog/2006/12/12" rel="nofollow">http://tommorris.org/blog/2006/12/12</a></p>
<p>Thank you for breaking the silence this year and risking being thought of as &#8220;negative&#8221; for pointing out that LeWeb is Le Clique.</p>
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