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		<title>By: Nik A. Rostarchook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nik A. Rostarchook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian Gryth, great post on the government issue.

I believe that a faster change in that sphere can come from more social-entrepreneurship, and the social media is there for us to facilitate this change faster.

There is a wonderful book on social entrepreneurship written by David Bornstein http://bit.ly/JcIGn.

Thanks for the interesting links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Gryth, great post on the government issue.</p>
<p>I believe that a faster change in that sphere can come from more social-entrepreneurship, and the social media is there for us to facilitate this change faster.</p>
<p>There is a wonderful book on social entrepreneurship written by David Bornstein <a href="http://bit.ly/JcIGn" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/JcIGn</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the interesting links.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Gryth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Gryth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tara,

Thanks for this post.  I have finally found the time to comment, because you raise a very good point for the open and transparent community you and may of us, your readers, aspire to adopt and be a part of.  It is hard to feel hopeful at times.  I work in the government space, which has a change resistant culture.  Many of the tenets of the Whuffie Factor are not part of the status quo of government culture, which is somewhat counter-intuitive because after all we are public servants and most agency’s stated mission is to improve society.  Nonetheless, we tend to operate in walled gardens and engagement is only undertaken when necessary.  We are seeing changes, but for those, like myself, it has been a frustrating road.  The change process will be slow and we may see regressions.  Such as the hustlers that are taking advantage of tools like Facebook, Twitter, and other social media for short term gain.  It may sound dramatic, but those, like yourself, how have chosen the road for change and improvement must stay eternally vigilant because as the saying goes “Rome was not built in a day.”  So we must do what we can and hope for the best.

One final note, I wanted to post a couple of link to a series of post by Rob Paterson on the FASTForward Blog regarding the Science of Emergence and its relation to Social Media.  These are slightly egg heady post, but should give some evidence of the potential power of on-line communities.  Thanks, Brian

Emergence posts:
Part 1 - http://www.fastforwardblog.com/2009/10/01/emergence-part-1-so-what-is-really-going-on/
Part 2 - http://www.fastforwardblog.com/2009/10/02/emergence-part-2-what-might-be-the-container-rules-for-humans/
Part 3 - http://www.fastforwardblog.com/2009/10/06/emergence-3-the-rules-a-science-our-only-chance/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tara,</p>
<p>Thanks for this post.  I have finally found the time to comment, because you raise a very good point for the open and transparent community you and may of us, your readers, aspire to adopt and be a part of.  It is hard to feel hopeful at times.  I work in the government space, which has a change resistant culture.  Many of the tenets of the Whuffie Factor are not part of the status quo of government culture, which is somewhat counter-intuitive because after all we are public servants and most agency’s stated mission is to improve society.  Nonetheless, we tend to operate in walled gardens and engagement is only undertaken when necessary.  We are seeing changes, but for those, like myself, it has been a frustrating road.  The change process will be slow and we may see regressions.  Such as the hustlers that are taking advantage of tools like Facebook, Twitter, and other social media for short term gain.  It may sound dramatic, but those, like yourself, how have chosen the road for change and improvement must stay eternally vigilant because as the saying goes “Rome was not built in a day.”  So we must do what we can and hope for the best.</p>
<p>One final note, I wanted to post a couple of link to a series of post by Rob Paterson on the FASTForward Blog regarding the Science of Emergence and its relation to Social Media.  These are slightly egg heady post, but should give some evidence of the potential power of on-line communities.  Thanks, Brian</p>
<p>Emergence posts:<br />
Part 1 &#8211; <a href="http://www.fastforwardblog.com/2009/10/01/emergence-part-1-so-what-is-really-going-on/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fastforwardblog.com/2009/10/01/emergence-part-1-so-what-is-really-going-on/</a><br />
Part 2 &#8211; <a href="http://www.fastforwardblog.com/2009/10/02/emergence-part-2-what-might-be-the-container-rules-for-humans/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fastforwardblog.com/2009/10/02/emergence-part-2-what-might-be-the-container-rules-for-humans/</a><br />
Part 3 &#8211; <a href="http://www.fastforwardblog.com/2009/10/06/emergence-3-the-rules-a-science-our-only-chance/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fastforwardblog.com/2009/10/06/emergence-3-the-rules-a-science-our-only-chance/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nollind Whachell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nollind Whachell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The world needs more mutual benefits.&quot;

The world needs more genuine people who aren&#039;t afraid to remove their &quot;masks&quot; and connect with others on a meaningful level. Less noise, more signal.

&quot;If someone screws someone else over in a small town everyone knows, but if someone screws someone else over in a big city, it’s pretty certain that they’ll get away with it.&quot;

No accountability when you can disappear within the crowd. It&#039;s one reason I prefer small closer communities of people, be it in my personal life or in business.

&quot;I’m not sure what to do from here.&quot;

I&#039;m in the same boat. I&#039;m finding that the success of my web design work, more and more, relates directly to the culture of the company I&#039;m interacting with. If they are open, honest, and genuine, I can connect with them and in turn help them connect with their audience. If they are full of BS and only want to put more spin on the hustle, I usually turn down their offer of work. If I can&#039;t create a real genuine connection between people, even on a basic level, then I&#039;m not interested in the work.

&quot;Instead, it gives insight into the culture that I adore just enough for hustlers to become wolf in sheep’s clothing. Is the issue too deep to disrupt it?&quot;

I&#039;m finding most people still have a pretty good BS detector. You can&#039;t fake being genuine...at least not for long. Sure if you want to fake it for a quick sale, feel free to do so. But the person will eventually figure out they&#039;ve been scammed and not return. If you want to build long term sustainable relationships, those involved need to relay values that contribute to the relationship. If they don&#039;t, it&#039;s not going to last. Doesn&#039;t matter if it&#039;s a personal relationship or a business venture.

&quot;If you are hustling to find ways to build your business in a way that builds value for the other party, then I think the world needs more people like that.&quot;

Steve, I wouldn&#039;t call that hustling at all. As soon as you recognize and respect the other person to the point that you empathize with them, you&#039;re on your way to building a genuine relationship. Most hustlers only care about themselves and their own interests. Thus even though they may be talking to you, you can often sense a feeling of disconnect or detachment amongst them. There aren&#039;t really there but instead in their head thinking about profits. Or put another way, they aren&#039;t contributing to the conversation at hand but instead just broadcasting their own agenda. This is something I&#039;m seeing quite a lot on blogs today. People very rarely recognize and respond to one another on blogs (and this even includes the blog author as well). Almost makes me want to stop commenting and just email people instead.

&quot;...the word “hustle” has multiple meanings...&quot;

Well said Kathy. That&#039;s something I&#039;ve been noticing more and more as well. Everyone has a different vocabulary and meaning behinds the words they use. I mean &quot;community&quot; is getting so overused today that people don&#039;t even know what it means. I actually had a guy the other day who asked me if I had a picture in my portfolio that relayed &quot;community&quot; and I almost laughed out loud at him. Community isn&#039;t something you see so much as something you feel. It&#039;s why the best community moderators don&#039;t even have to ask if something is wrong in a community, they just know. Again back to the ability to empathize and connect with people on an emotional and meaningful level. You can&#039;t fake that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The world needs more mutual benefits.&#8221;</p>
<p>The world needs more genuine people who aren&#8217;t afraid to remove their &#8220;masks&#8221; and connect with others on a meaningful level. Less noise, more signal.</p>
<p>&#8220;If someone screws someone else over in a small town everyone knows, but if someone screws someone else over in a big city, it’s pretty certain that they’ll get away with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>No accountability when you can disappear within the crowd. It&#8217;s one reason I prefer small closer communities of people, be it in my personal life or in business.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m not sure what to do from here.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in the same boat. I&#8217;m finding that the success of my web design work, more and more, relates directly to the culture of the company I&#8217;m interacting with. If they are open, honest, and genuine, I can connect with them and in turn help them connect with their audience. If they are full of BS and only want to put more spin on the hustle, I usually turn down their offer of work. If I can&#8217;t create a real genuine connection between people, even on a basic level, then I&#8217;m not interested in the work.</p>
<p>&#8220;Instead, it gives insight into the culture that I adore just enough for hustlers to become wolf in sheep’s clothing. Is the issue too deep to disrupt it?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m finding most people still have a pretty good BS detector. You can&#8217;t fake being genuine&#8230;at least not for long. Sure if you want to fake it for a quick sale, feel free to do so. But the person will eventually figure out they&#8217;ve been scammed and not return. If you want to build long term sustainable relationships, those involved need to relay values that contribute to the relationship. If they don&#8217;t, it&#8217;s not going to last. Doesn&#8217;t matter if it&#8217;s a personal relationship or a business venture.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you are hustling to find ways to build your business in a way that builds value for the other party, then I think the world needs more people like that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Steve, I wouldn&#8217;t call that hustling at all. As soon as you recognize and respect the other person to the point that you empathize with them, you&#8217;re on your way to building a genuine relationship. Most hustlers only care about themselves and their own interests. Thus even though they may be talking to you, you can often sense a feeling of disconnect or detachment amongst them. There aren&#8217;t really there but instead in their head thinking about profits. Or put another way, they aren&#8217;t contributing to the conversation at hand but instead just broadcasting their own agenda. This is something I&#8217;m seeing quite a lot on blogs today. People very rarely recognize and respond to one another on blogs (and this even includes the blog author as well). Almost makes me want to stop commenting and just email people instead.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;the word “hustle” has multiple meanings&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Well said Kathy. That&#8217;s something I&#8217;ve been noticing more and more as well. Everyone has a different vocabulary and meaning behinds the words they use. I mean &#8220;community&#8221; is getting so overused today that people don&#8217;t even know what it means. I actually had a guy the other day who asked me if I had a picture in my portfolio that relayed &#8220;community&#8221; and I almost laughed out loud at him. Community isn&#8217;t something you see so much as something you feel. It&#8217;s why the best community moderators don&#8217;t even have to ask if something is wrong in a community, they just know. Again back to the ability to empathize and connect with people on an emotional and meaningful level. You can&#8217;t fake that.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tara ....  could not agree more.  Desperate marketers and others wishing to take advantage of the media will not stop though.  While I too believe in the good intentions of people generally, I also believe that this is a pipedream -&gt; &quot;... hustlers who would be transformed&quot;.  Whether the impetus comes from organisational or personal motivation, those who choose aggressive tactics will not stop trying ... so.....  

The good news is that as tools improve we will get better protection.  I actually know people who want to be &#039;hustled&#039; and deliberately sign up for all kinds of free stuff knowing they will be spammed on and offline, so it takes all kinds.  Also I am not all sure this is a small town/ big town thing.  I have lived in both, and while subtle the hustle is everywhere, and maybe harder to disregard in a small town.

Meantime what should idealists do.  Can&#039;t help with offline, but online I maximise adblock, careful use of privacy settings wherever I sign up, and maximisation of gmail filters.  They can talk but you don&#039;t have to listen is my motto.

Just my take, and only my perspective.  Keep up the good fight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tara &#8230;.  could not agree more.  Desperate marketers and others wishing to take advantage of the media will not stop though.  While I too believe in the good intentions of people generally, I also believe that this is a pipedream -&gt; &#8220;&#8230; hustlers who would be transformed&#8221;.  Whether the impetus comes from organisational or personal motivation, those who choose aggressive tactics will not stop trying &#8230; so&#8230;..  </p>
<p>The good news is that as tools improve we will get better protection.  I actually know people who want to be &#8216;hustled&#8217; and deliberately sign up for all kinds of free stuff knowing they will be spammed on and offline, so it takes all kinds.  Also I am not all sure this is a small town/ big town thing.  I have lived in both, and while subtle the hustle is everywhere, and maybe harder to disregard in a small town.</p>
<p>Meantime what should idealists do.  Can&#8217;t help with offline, but online I maximise adblock, careful use of privacy settings wherever I sign up, and maximisation of gmail filters.  They can talk but you don&#8217;t have to listen is my motto.</p>
<p>Just my take, and only my perspective.  Keep up the good fight!</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Sierra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy Sierra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really appreciate this post, and agree with you. Just one tiny tweak: the word &quot;hustle&quot; has multiple meanings, and for many of us the first meaning is &quot;get off your butt / get a move on!!&quot;, rather than hustle-as-in-unethical/sleazy. It doesn&#039;t always imply zero-sum -- but I understand your context in this post. I&#039;m trying to come up with a replacement word here, but can&#039;t really think of one. In any case, I know what you mean and I don&#039;t think the kind of deceitful hustle you&#039;re describing is going to be sustainable for those who practice it. 

Patience, grasshopper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really appreciate this post, and agree with you. Just one tiny tweak: the word &#8220;hustle&#8221; has multiple meanings, and for many of us the first meaning is &#8220;get off your butt / get a move on!!&#8221;, rather than hustle-as-in-unethical/sleazy. It doesn&#8217;t always imply zero-sum &#8212; but I understand your context in this post. I&#8217;m trying to come up with a replacement word here, but can&#8217;t really think of one. In any case, I know what you mean and I don&#8217;t think the kind of deceitful hustle you&#8217;re describing is going to be sustainable for those who practice it. </p>
<p>Patience, grasshopper.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Hart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tara,
  I did a project a while back on capturing both the good and bad experiences and letting others know (it was before Yelp and Angie&#039;s List, but after Service Magic). It was mostly qualitative studies.

  The folks we spoke to loved to tell others about their great experiences. Those others included &quot;strangers&quot; - e.g. telling others for the &quot;common good&quot;.

  But when it comes to bad experiences, they didn&#039;t like telling others - with a few exceptions. They would tell their close acquaintances, and a few would shout it to the world - a very few. Most just want to forget about it and chalk up the experience as something to watch out for next time.

  I&#039;ve visited some... hmmm... see, I even have a hard time labeling them. I&#039;ll just say they are not people that I would hire to do a job for me. I would never call them out. Part of it is fear of some sort of retribution. Back in the early days of the web - I did call someone out. And then I received some death threats.

  Not that THAT has happened to a lot of people, but still, it&#039;s an underlying fear that came out in our studies. It&#039;s easy to talk about people you like. It&#039;s harder, and more dangerous (real or imagined), to talk about the folks you don&#039;t like.

- Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tara,<br />
  I did a project a while back on capturing both the good and bad experiences and letting others know (it was before Yelp and Angie&#8217;s List, but after Service Magic). It was mostly qualitative studies.</p>
<p>  The folks we spoke to loved to tell others about their great experiences. Those others included &#8220;strangers&#8221; &#8211; e.g. telling others for the &#8220;common good&#8221;.</p>
<p>  But when it comes to bad experiences, they didn&#8217;t like telling others &#8211; with a few exceptions. They would tell their close acquaintances, and a few would shout it to the world &#8211; a very few. Most just want to forget about it and chalk up the experience as something to watch out for next time.</p>
<p>  I&#8217;ve visited some&#8230; hmmm&#8230; see, I even have a hard time labeling them. I&#8217;ll just say they are not people that I would hire to do a job for me. I would never call them out. Part of it is fear of some sort of retribution. Back in the early days of the web &#8211; I did call someone out. And then I received some death threats.</p>
<p>  Not that THAT has happened to a lot of people, but still, it&#8217;s an underlying fear that came out in our studies. It&#8217;s easy to talk about people you like. It&#8217;s harder, and more dangerous (real or imagined), to talk about the folks you don&#8217;t like.</p>
<p>- Matt</p>
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		<title>By: cory huff</title>
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		<dc:creator>cory huff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, I meant hi Tara. I got so caught up in looking at those beautiful photos that I stopped paying attention. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, I meant hi Tara. I got so caught up in looking at those beautiful photos that I stopped paying attention. <img src='http://www.horsepigcow.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cory huff</title>
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		<dc:creator>cory huff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lane. Thanks for your frank assessment here. I think as long as you, Dawn Foster, Chris Brogan, and others keep pushing forward, others (like me) will join you and more thought leaders will grow into the space. Perhaps the hallmark of Gen Y will not be &#039;entitled, lazy youth&#039; but will instead be the people who changed business from hustling the consumer into giving people what they want and need by listening to the community.

After all, what is great entrepreneurism but seeing a need and filling it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lane. Thanks for your frank assessment here. I think as long as you, Dawn Foster, Chris Brogan, and others keep pushing forward, others (like me) will join you and more thought leaders will grow into the space. Perhaps the hallmark of Gen Y will not be &#8216;entitled, lazy youth&#8217; but will instead be the people who changed business from hustling the consumer into giving people what they want and need by listening to the community.</p>
<p>After all, what is great entrepreneurism but seeing a need and filling it?</p>
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		<title>By: steve cunningham</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tara - I think that this has a lot to do with the conversation we just had during the interview.  Hustling has a bad rap, and for the longest time has been associated with mistrust.  If you are a hustler (or a huckster), you are not to be trusted.  

But what happens when somebody wants to work their ass off to get ahead, and does it in a way that creates mutual benefits for each other?  What happens when people like you, Mitch Joel, and Gary Vaynerchuk come along?  

I truly think the key is in what you are hustling for.  If you are hustling to find ways to build your business in a way that builds value for the other party, then I think the world needs more people like that.  

Perhaps it&#039;s time to start hustling for the right things?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tara &#8211; I think that this has a lot to do with the conversation we just had during the interview.  Hustling has a bad rap, and for the longest time has been associated with mistrust.  If you are a hustler (or a huckster), you are not to be trusted.  </p>
<p>But what happens when somebody wants to work their ass off to get ahead, and does it in a way that creates mutual benefits for each other?  What happens when people like you, Mitch Joel, and Gary Vaynerchuk come along?  </p>
<p>I truly think the key is in what you are hustling for.  If you are hustling to find ways to build your business in a way that builds value for the other party, then I think the world needs more people like that.  </p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s time to start hustling for the right things?</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Martell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Martell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely to find this post, just as I am struggling to respond to a contract negotiation where I am feeling hustled. It helps guide me to think about how I will contribute to this way of being that is out of alignment with who I am if I play the game. Thanks for helping me get clearer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely to find this post, just as I am struggling to respond to a contract negotiation where I am feeling hustled. It helps guide me to think about how I will contribute to this way of being that is out of alignment with who I am if I play the game. Thanks for helping me get clearer.</p>
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