Comments on: Tragedy of the Commons: Lane Hartwell vs. Richter Scales

By: contentious.com - links for 2007-12-19

contentious.com - links for 2007-12-19 — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:26:04 +0000

[...] Tragedy of the Commons: Lane Hartwell vs. Richter Scales | ::HorsePigCow:: marketing uncommon The post is good, but the comment thread is even better. Definitely read the thoughtful comments to this post. This is one key read why I love blogs — and one big advantage they have over non-conversational presentations. (tags: community copyright law ethics diversity perspective gender blogs conversational+media tidbits+fodder) [...]

By: Len

Len — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:00:25 +0000

What are you talking about? You acknowledge that the work wasn’t put under or used under a Creative Commons license, but then you go off on some wild tangent of an argument that assumes that it was.

By: Aviary: Bird Feed

Aviary: Bird Feed — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:15:24 +0000

An easy solution to DMCA conflicts…

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By: Works In the Age of Digital Reproduction at Like It Matters

Works In the Age of Digital Reproduction at Like It Matters — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:00:13 +0000

[...] Schultz. To heartfelt calls for respect of the provenance of creative work from Derek Powazek and Tara Hunt. To Lane’s own statement and Scott’s full post that highlight the long context [...]

By: Raines Cohen

Raines Cohen — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:33:25 +0000

I think you mean control/command-V for paste. Unless you’re using a very different text editor than I am.

To me this whole controversy is an opportunity for us to demand (or demonstrate the market for) better tools for rights-management built into our applications. With CC, the machine-readable data is there, and should be easy to integrate and carry across to create automatic credits lists or even automate permissions requests for going to a deeper level than is explicitly licensed (for example, creating a commercial work that wishes to use noncommercial-licensed material).

I’m not talking about DRM enforcement, I’m talking about user-centric tools for managing lists of assets and their sources.

By: links for 2007-12-18 | mad dog in the fog

links for 2007-12-18 | mad dog in the fog — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:20:23 +0000

[...] Tragedy of the Commons: Lane Hartwell vs. Richter Scales | ::HorsePigCow:: marketing uncommon “Putting our productions online shouldn’t mean that we give up all claims and possibility of profiting from it and we should discourage those who abuse this.” (tags: copyright creativecommons) [...]

By: James Governor

James Governor — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:10:47 +0000

One can only hope that this spat brings Lane’s work to a wider audience. Its a fraught issue. I tend to err on the side of independent copyright holders – and make sure they get get credit if I can. That’s as it should be. Then again, if sampling couldn’t happen the musical world would be infinitely poorer. David Weinberger recently pointed to an interesting Firefox plugin called Zotero, which automatically stores citations, including those from flickr. One thing which would help the situation would be if Flickr urls had trackbacks. obviously if someone really wanted to rip of the creator of work they could, but i am sure its usually oversight. its kind of like privacy and notification laws- its the notification, or threat of it, that drives the business need for privacy. On all other hoohah- arrington or whatever, i am not close enough to echo chamber these days to know much about that. friction-based attention though is evidently part of his personal business model.

By: Shelley

Shelley — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:04:31 +0000

“I’m saying it’s a flawed motivation to encourage a potentially negative use and not ALSO support a positive use of someone’s work.”

I’m not sure where this came from. Parody doesn’t have to be ‘negative’.

The issue with Lane’s photo is that wasn’t a necessary or integral part of the whole. The work would not be harmed, or less,if the artist’s wishes were met and the photo removed or replaced. The important cultural statement (?) could have been made without it.

To be honest, I think this was an excellent test case, because it polarizes the issue, generating debate.

By: Lane Hartwell: Still wrong on fair use - - mathewingram.com/work

Lane Hartwell: Still wrong on fair use - - mathewingram.com/work — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:36:26 +0000

[...] then on lots of other blogs — including Shelley’s at Burningbird and Tara Hunt’s at Horse Pig Cow — the point is repeatedly made that I am missing the real point, which is that it was rude [...]

By: Kathy Sierra

Kathy Sierra — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:11:03 +0000

If I’m interpreting that statement correctly, this was never *about* credit/attribution and that if they’d originally had a credit for her photo it would not have changed the situation (and given that the photos were ‘all rights reserved’, that makes sense). She did not want the photo used, period. So this particular battle was purely about ‘Fair Use’… although you made some excellent points about the CC Attribution license that so many of us use for most of our, um, ‘art’ ; )