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		<title>By: Working For Fame Or For Cash &#171; Going Far</title>
		<link>http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/please-stop-crowdsourcing-me/comment-page-1/#comment-50124</link>
		<dc:creator>Working For Fame Or For Cash &#171; Going Far</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Working For Fame Or For&#160;Cash  I&#8217;d like to introduce this reflection by quoting Tara Hunt, who writes the following in a post titled Please Stop Crowdsourcing Me: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Working For Fame Or For Cash &#171; Going Solo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Working For Fame Or For Cash &#171; Going Solo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Working For Fame Or For&#160;Cash    Posted January 14, 2008    I&#8217;d like to introduce this reflection by quoting Tara Hunt, who writes the following in a post titled Please Stop Crowdsourcing Me: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Climb to the Stars (Stephanie Booth) &#187; Working For Fame Or For Cash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Climb to the Stars (Stephanie Booth) &#187; Working For Fame Or For Cash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] K2 Styles and Mods I&#8217;d like to introduce this reflection by quoting Tara Hunt, who writes the following in a post titled Please Stop Crowdsourcing Me: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Silona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimmy Wales also hates the term &quot;crowdsourcing.&quot;

For wikipedia, wikia and the illuminated budget we call it &quot;community produced.&quot;  Since it also has the ownership aspect in the word produced and community because the group must own it...

So maybe we should use this as our tag?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmy Wales also hates the term &#8220;crowdsourcing.&#8221;</p>
<p>For wikipedia, wikia and the illuminated budget we call it &#8220;community produced.&#8221;  Since it also has the ownership aspect in the word produced and community because the group must own it&#8230;</p>
<p>So maybe we should use this as our tag?</p>
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		<title>By: BillyWarhol</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillyWarhol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 06:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah a lot of Web2.0 Juggernauts have been built on the backs of the People thass fer darn sure*  Flickr + YouTube + i guess MySpace + Facebook come to mind* People do get tremendous Value + Entertainment + Enjoyment from contributing to those Social Networks. Tho when U see the outrageous Valuations they receive largely due to the # of Eyeballs that their Advertisers are Happy to Pay Big Bucks to get in front of it makes U wonder who&#039;s being Rewarded*

Ironically I thought of Cambrian House + I liked what they were doing - might be a way to get yet another Billion Dollar Idea actually out the Door. But i&#039;m always leery of Giving Away Ideas only to have somebody else scarf it + make the untold Millions that are so rightfully MINE!

;))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah a lot of Web2.0 Juggernauts have been built on the backs of the People thass fer darn sure*  Flickr + YouTube + i guess MySpace + Facebook come to mind* People do get tremendous Value + Entertainment + Enjoyment from contributing to those Social Networks. Tho when U see the outrageous Valuations they receive largely due to the # of Eyeballs that their Advertisers are Happy to Pay Big Bucks to get in front of it makes U wonder who&#8217;s being Rewarded*</p>
<p>Ironically I thought of Cambrian House + I liked what they were doing &#8211; might be a way to get yet another Billion Dollar Idea actually out the Door. But i&#8217;m always leery of Giving Away Ideas only to have somebody else scarf it + make the untold Millions that are so rightfully MINE!</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.horsepigcow.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: Jake McKee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake McKee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 01:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tara said: &quot;There is not only a plan in place to COLLECT the ideas, FIND the best ideas, IMPLEMENT the ideas and so forth, but there is also a plan in place to REWARD those ideas.&quot;

See, this is the fundamental problem to me, much more so than the issue of &quot;ideas&quot;... business all too often skip straight to the payoff: the idea. It&#039;s the one night stand of the business world. No matter how smooth you try to make the process of a one night stand, you&#039;re not really building the relationship overall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tara said: &#8220;There is not only a plan in place to COLLECT the ideas, FIND the best ideas, IMPLEMENT the ideas and so forth, but there is also a plan in place to REWARD those ideas.&#8221;</p>
<p>See, this is the fundamental problem to me, much more so than the issue of &#8220;ideas&#8221;&#8230; business all too often skip straight to the payoff: the idea. It&#8217;s the one night stand of the business world. No matter how smooth you try to make the process of a one night stand, you&#8217;re not really building the relationship overall.</p>
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		<title>By: kolyiken</title>
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		<dc:creator>kolyiken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 23:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice, nice, nice.
You´re crossing the tunnel of light.
What you´ve written remains me that the best things I`ve ever done in jobs... were absolutely for free.
I´d like to get back to those old days...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice, nice, nice.<br />
You´re crossing the tunnel of light.<br />
What you´ve written remains me that the best things I`ve ever done in jobs&#8230; were absolutely for free.<br />
I´d like to get back to those old days&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Tremblay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Tremblay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 05:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this.

&quot;Maybe it was because it seemed that you believed you could ‘tap’ my well of ideas or ‘pick my brain’ endlessly? &quot;
Yaaaa, /that/. 

Back when I was getting $250/day (early 90s) it was great fun to spin off an ace now and again. You know, a diamond. There are stories about that in the consulting folk-lore.
But with the expectation that everything is low-hanging fruit ... I mean, I don&#039;t want to start packign 12guage with rock-salt, but galllll.dang!

Economic activity is fundamentally social. Attitudes / received wisdom are just the individual aspects of &lt;i&gt;status quo&lt;/i&gt;.
In the 2100s I want to be able to hit a triple and bill for 3 hours work, at a rate that reflects the end result. That it took me 15 minutes shouldn&#039;t mean it&#039;s free (as in beer) ... took me years to develop those chops.

HNY

--bentrem</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this.</p>
<p>&#8220;Maybe it was because it seemed that you believed you could ‘tap’ my well of ideas or ‘pick my brain’ endlessly? &#8221;<br />
Yaaaa, /that/. </p>
<p>Back when I was getting $250/day (early 90s) it was great fun to spin off an ace now and again. You know, a diamond. There are stories about that in the consulting folk-lore.<br />
But with the expectation that everything is low-hanging fruit &#8230; I mean, I don&#8217;t want to start packign 12guage with rock-salt, but galllll.dang!</p>
<p>Economic activity is fundamentally social. Attitudes / received wisdom are just the individual aspects of <i>status quo</i>.<br />
In the 2100s I want to be able to hit a triple and bill for 3 hours work, at a rate that reflects the end result. That it took me 15 minutes shouldn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s free (as in beer) &#8230; took me years to develop those chops.</p>
<p>HNY</p>
<p>&#8211;bentrem</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll agree with you that there are a number of less than scrupulous people out there taking advantage of what they see as free advice, instead of giving back in turn to the pool of social capital (and in some cases, like Threadless, real capital).

We&#039;ve had an &quot;incident&quot; here in Australia recently where a large organisation deliberately went after advice from a number (many, many) sources in order to build information with no intent of giving back or hiring any of the advice givers.  You can read about it at http://silkcharm.blogspot.com/2007/12/raping-web-20-australian-community.html.

Thankfully, I wasn&#039;t one of their victims.  Several of the people I consider professional colleagues (and often rivals for business) and friends were.  We all now know who the culprits were and they&#039;re unlikely to be able to hire anyone in the social media/social networking consulting community.

This sort of behavior is, as I said, unscrupulous as well as being downright unprofessional.  Despite our desire to share, we&#039;re not here to be taken advantage of.  I almost think you should name names, although I&#039;m certain that word will get around in a less public way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll agree with you that there are a number of less than scrupulous people out there taking advantage of what they see as free advice, instead of giving back in turn to the pool of social capital (and in some cases, like Threadless, real capital).</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve had an &#8220;incident&#8221; here in Australia recently where a large organisation deliberately went after advice from a number (many, many) sources in order to build information with no intent of giving back or hiring any of the advice givers.  You can read about it at <a href="http://silkcharm.blogspot.com/2007/12/raping-web-20-australian-community.html" rel="nofollow">http://silkcharm.blogspot.com/2007/12/raping-web-20-australian-community.html</a>.</p>
<p>Thankfully, I wasn&#8217;t one of their victims.  Several of the people I consider professional colleagues (and often rivals for business) and friends were.  We all now know who the culprits were and they&#8217;re unlikely to be able to hire anyone in the social media/social networking consulting community.</p>
<p>This sort of behavior is, as I said, unscrupulous as well as being downright unprofessional.  Despite our desire to share, we&#8217;re not here to be taken advantage of.  I almost think you should name names, although I&#8217;m certain that word will get around in a less public way.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is something going on at Facebook, they&#039;re asking users to help translate the whole thing, last time I check in English to Spanish were like 10 thousand something of phrases. I don&#039;t think this is the correct way of doing it. Could this be labeled as Crowdsourcing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is something going on at Facebook, they&#8217;re asking users to help translate the whole thing, last time I check in English to Spanish were like 10 thousand something of phrases. I don&#8217;t think this is the correct way of doing it. Could this be labeled as Crowdsourcing?</p>
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