Comments on: Mobs With Pitchforks and Mis-Information http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/ a world uncommon Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:03:36 +0000 hourly 1 By: miss rogue http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/comment-page-1/#comment-49517 miss rogue Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:48:04 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/17/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/#comment-49517 I totally missed those. I'm glad, though. I hope someone has taken Lane for some tall glasses of wine and let her vent the ugliness. I totally missed those. I’m glad, though. I hope someone has taken Lane for some tall glasses of wine and let her vent the ugliness.

]]> By: miss rogue http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/comment-page-1/#comment-49516 miss rogue Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:25:40 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/17/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/#comment-49516 I agree 100%. I agree 100%.

]]> By: Shelley http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/comment-page-1/#comment-49513 Shelley Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:06:53 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/17/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/#comment-49513 Also, Lane put up her full statement. To be honest, I think a lot of people owe her an apology. Also, Lane put up her full statement. To be honest, I think a lot of people owe her an apology.

]]> By: Shelley http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/comment-page-1/#comment-49512 Shelley Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:05:49 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/17/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/#comment-49512 Was that the Techcrush incident? <a href="http://www.stoweboyd.com/message/2006/09/techcrush_crush.html" rel="nofollow">Here's one link</a>, if that's the one you're thinking of. Was that the Techcrush incident? Here’s one link, if that’s the one you’re thinking of.

]]> By: Traffic at Aaron Mentele, Charisma:18 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/comment-page-1/#comment-49509 Traffic at Aaron Mentele, Charisma:18 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:00:25 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/17/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/#comment-49509 [...] I missed out on the real topic, so the only thing I have left to add is “your mother’s [...] [...] I missed out on the real topic, so the only thing I have left to add is “your mother’s [...]

]]> By: scott parsons http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/comment-page-1/#comment-49507 scott parsons Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:25:43 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/17/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/#comment-49507 I love the many freedoms given to us by the internet, but one of its failings is that context can be lost. What I mean by this is that issuing a DMCA takedown for a video where the copyright owners photo appears for just a moment is really rude. Without the context that Lane was already frustrated with copyright violations and had tried to contact the richter people without success I can understand how many people would jump to the conclusion that she was the petty and rude one. Context is key, and too often the game of chinese whispers that is the internet allows people to read one incomplete story and jump to conclusions. I may be an optimist but I don't ascribe this behaviour to malice but to differing opinions and the general laziness of us all when it comes to believing our sources. I do however still stand by the idea that it is as important that one is not required to give attribution if the work is a fair use, as it is rude to NOT give attribution if the author can easily do so. I love the many freedoms given to us by the internet, but one of its failings is that context can be lost. What I mean by this is that issuing a DMCA takedown for a video where the copyright owners photo appears for just a moment is really rude. Without the context that Lane was already frustrated with copyright violations and had tried to contact the richter people without success I can understand how many people would jump to the conclusion that she was the petty and rude one. Context is key, and too often the game of chinese whispers that is the internet allows people to read one incomplete story and jump to conclusions.

I may be an optimist but I don’t ascribe this behaviour to malice but to differing opinions and the general laziness of us all when it comes to believing our sources.

I do however still stand by the idea that it is as important that one is not required to give attribution if the work is a fair use, as it is rude to NOT give attribution if the author can easily do so.

]]> By: miss rogue http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/comment-page-1/#comment-49506 miss rogue Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:17:07 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/17/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/#comment-49506 I wish it were more surprising, too. Shelley's most recent post: <a href="http://burningbird.net/diversity/respect/" rel="nofollow">Respect</a> is pretty awesome. I would actually love to find some of those links. I remember when the TC ripoffs happened and Mike was angry...but I couldn't find the posts. I wish it were more surprising, too. Shelley’s most recent post: Respect is pretty awesome.

I would actually love to find some of those links. I remember when the TC ripoffs happened and Mike was angry…but I couldn’t find the posts.

]]> By: Anil http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/comment-page-1/#comment-49504 Anil Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:57:20 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/17/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/#comment-49504 The sexism of the criticisms levelled at Lane is pretty consistent; I wish that were more surprising. The other thing that's interesting is the same mob always takes the *other* side if the creative work in question is a website design that's been ripped off. The sexism of the criticisms levelled at Lane is pretty consistent; I wish that were more surprising. The other thing that’s interesting is the same mob always takes the *other* side if the creative work in question is a website design that’s been ripped off.

]]> By: Eric Rice http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/comment-page-1/#comment-49493 Eric Rice Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:39:50 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/17/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/#comment-49493 One thing fascinating to watch was how much maliciousness was doled out on Flickr, where you have to have an account to comment. An un-civil commenter's life is one click away. That's a much different and weirder league than just a disposable bit of sophomoric snark on digg.com, that's a direct connection to YOU and a window into your life, your kids, your whatever... that you've chosen to post. Anyway, an observation that those sideliners on flickr, aren't sideliners at all. We have their whole context at our fingertips with a few simple clicks. One thing fascinating to watch was how much maliciousness was doled out on Flickr, where you have to have an account to comment. An un-civil commenter’s life is one click away. That’s a much different and weirder league than just a disposable bit of sophomoric snark on digg.com, that’s a direct connection to YOU and a window into your life, your kids, your whatever… that you’ve chosen to post.

Anyway, an observation that those sideliners on flickr, aren’t sideliners at all. We have their whole context at our fingertips with a few simple clicks.

]]> By: Leigh http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/comment-page-1/#comment-49490 Leigh Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:03:18 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/12/17/mobs-with-pitchforks-and-mis-information/#comment-49490 I may not agree with Lane's choices (or that of the video producers for that matter) but can do so respectfully. Unfortunately, the tone got out of control by many commenters (at least on the blogs that I read) on both sides of the debate, which led to the mob mentality (and the usual ridiculous gender references and other childish banter which has no place in these types of conversations). From my own perspective, I don't think I have misinformation; I just have a different opinion than you. To that end, I believe it's important to separate out the actual "debate" from the rest of the noise. They are in fact not one in the same. The unfortunate thing in the tech blogosphere IMO is that the nastiness always ends up taking over ending in personal attacks that makes people fearful of disagreement when they should be able to instead, respectfully embrace it. I may not agree with Lane’s choices (or that of the video producers for that matter) but can do so respectfully. Unfortunately, the tone got out of control by many commenters (at least on the blogs that I read) on both sides of the debate, which led to the mob mentality (and the usual ridiculous gender references and other childish banter which has no place in these types of conversations). From my own perspective, I don’t think I have misinformation; I just have a different opinion than you.

To that end, I believe it’s important to separate out the actual “debate” from the rest of the noise. They are in fact not one in the same. The unfortunate thing in the tech blogosphere IMO is that the nastiness always ends up taking over ending in personal attacks that makes people fearful of disagreement when they should be able to instead, respectfully embrace it.

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