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		<title>By: &#124; marketingpanels.info</title>
		<link>http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/08/conferences-and-community/comment-page-1/#comment-48178</link>
		<dc:creator>&#124; marketingpanels.info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ::HorsePigCow:: marketing uncommon ? Conferences and CommunityPANEL Manager est le premier logiciel int?gr? con?u sp?cialement pour la gestion de vos panels. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#124; marketingpanels.info</title>
		<link>http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/08/conferences-and-community/comment-page-1/#comment-48174</link>
		<dc:creator>&#124; marketingpanels.info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ::HorsePigCow:: marketing uncommon ? Conferences and CommunityPanels, though, require far less prep time in my experience. &#8230;.. That?s why I consider speaking engagements as an advertising and marketing expense. &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan Carson</title>
		<link>http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/08/conferences-and-community/comment-page-1/#comment-48061</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m late coming into this conversation, sorry!

Tara, thanks for your kinds words. We try really hard to treat people like we want to be treated, so it made me smile to see that you felt taken care of :)

FOWA (Oct 3-5, 2007) is bigger than the Feb event (1500 people) plus an expo hall and three total tracks, so I wasn&#039;t sure if we could cover everyone&#039;s travel expenses (twice the number of speakers). 

I regret that decision. I think what we&#039;ll do next time is cut down on the number of speakers so we can still afford to fly everyone and put them up.

Thanks again for the kind words - made my day :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late coming into this conversation, sorry!</p>
<p>Tara, thanks for your kinds words. We try really hard to treat people like we want to be treated, so it made me smile to see that you felt taken care of <img src='http://www.horsepigcow.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>FOWA (Oct 3-5, 2007) is bigger than the Feb event (1500 people) plus an expo hall and three total tracks, so I wasn&#8217;t sure if we could cover everyone&#8217;s travel expenses (twice the number of speakers). </p>
<p>I regret that decision. I think what we&#8217;ll do next time is cut down on the number of speakers so we can still afford to fly everyone and put them up.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the kind words &#8211; made my day <img src='http://www.horsepigcow.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: miss rogue</title>
		<link>http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/08/conferences-and-community/comment-page-1/#comment-47897</link>
		<dc:creator>miss rogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mercenary? Heh. We spent over $25,000 last year in travel expenses. And what clients came from those engagements? None, because we are already way too busy (and in demand) to take on any leads.

My marketing budget includes the time and effort I put into the community: advocating microformats, openID, helping others with setting up their coworking spaces, helping out with barcamps, etc. Speaking at conferences is good because it helps spread concepts and helps people in the audience understand what is going on in the tech world right now, but it does very little for my business.

And, Dave, I am in demand. I actually hired an agent to handle the many requests I get to speak...about 2x per month right now. And that agent negotiates fees, which most organizers are happy to pay as they know that i will sell tickets. I wasn&#039;t even going to negotiate my talk at Defrag through my agent, but I did want my airfare and hotel covered. Hardly mercenary. It turned out that on that same day I was being requested to speak at another conference where I&#039;m not only being flown out and put up, but paid anyway. So, it&#039;s probably for the best that Defrag doesn&#039;t reimburse for travel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mercenary? Heh. We spent over $25,000 last year in travel expenses. And what clients came from those engagements? None, because we are already way too busy (and in demand) to take on any leads.</p>
<p>My marketing budget includes the time and effort I put into the community: advocating microformats, openID, helping others with setting up their coworking spaces, helping out with barcamps, etc. Speaking at conferences is good because it helps spread concepts and helps people in the audience understand what is going on in the tech world right now, but it does very little for my business.</p>
<p>And, Dave, I am in demand. I actually hired an agent to handle the many requests I get to speak&#8230;about 2x per month right now. And that agent negotiates fees, which most organizers are happy to pay as they know that i will sell tickets. I wasn&#8217;t even going to negotiate my talk at Defrag through my agent, but I did want my airfare and hotel covered. Hardly mercenary. It turned out that on that same day I was being requested to speak at another conference where I&#8217;m not only being flown out and put up, but paid anyway. So, it&#8217;s probably for the best that Defrag doesn&#8217;t reimburse for travel.</p>
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		<title>By: David Kearns</title>
		<link>http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/08/conferences-and-community/comment-page-1/#comment-47896</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kearns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...i am an independent consultant who has never had corporate dollars behind me...&quot;

As am I. Almost always, whenever I go to a conference it&#039;s on my own dime. And, like you, I&#039;m an independent consultant. That&#039;s why I consider speaking engagements as an advertising and marketing expense. Its a way to get my name and ideas discussed in a wider community. I would only even consider asking for reimbursement (or more) if the conference were using my name as a lure to attract attendees. 

But maybe I&#039;m just not mercenary enough...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;i am an independent consultant who has never had corporate dollars behind me&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>As am I. Almost always, whenever I go to a conference it&#8217;s on my own dime. And, like you, I&#8217;m an independent consultant. That&#8217;s why I consider speaking engagements as an advertising and marketing expense. Its a way to get my name and ideas discussed in a wider community. I would only even consider asking for reimbursement (or more) if the conference were using my name as a lure to attract attendees. </p>
<p>But maybe I&#8217;m just not mercenary enough&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Links: 2007-09-04 &#171; Kempton&#8217;s blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links: 2007-09-04 &#171; Kempton&#8217;s blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Conferences and Community - I find this a very insightful read since we, the DemoCampCalgary group of volunteers, are in the early stage of organizing our first and free BarCampCalgary [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Rochelle</title>
		<link>http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/08/conferences-and-community/comment-page-1/#comment-47757</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Rochelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing this a little late, but thought I should give my &quot;+1&quot; vote to your comments (miss rogue) that Ryan and team are aces in puttin&#039; on conferences, especially in making their invited speakers feel like it was worth the time. The part I liked the best about the FOWA conf in London early in &#039;07 was the incredible talent they attracted as both speakers and attendees... I met an impressive crowd at that event - including you ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing this a little late, but thought I should give my &#8220;+1&#8243; vote to your comments (miss rogue) that Ryan and team are aces in puttin&#8217; on conferences, especially in making their invited speakers feel like it was worth the time. The part I liked the best about the FOWA conf in London early in &#8217;07 was the incredible talent they attracted as both speakers and attendees&#8230; I met an impressive crowd at that event &#8211; including you <img src='http://www.horsepigcow.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: miss rogue</title>
		<link>http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/08/conferences-and-community/comment-page-1/#comment-47751</link>
		<dc:creator>miss rogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, not self important...self-empowered. Mr. Kearns, I would venture a guess that you don&#039;t know me well at all, either, as if you did, you would know that I am careful about giving my time away. These events (blogher and sxswi) are prestigious BECAUSE they are excellent community events and that is why i don&#039;t mind paying for my own travel (as i would go nonetheless). 

Now, i am happy for you that you can afford to give so much of your time and money to the ventures of others, but i am an independent consultant who has never had corporate dollars behind me. You make it sound as if asking for my travel expenses paid to Denver is asking someone to pay for a free holiday for me. I can assure you, sir, denver is not my idea of a holiday destination, especially in November...nor is speaking at a conference anything like a holiday. I happen to take such responsibilities very seriously. Like a job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, not self important&#8230;self-empowered. Mr. Kearns, I would venture a guess that you don&#8217;t know me well at all, either, as if you did, you would know that I am careful about giving my time away. These events (blogher and sxswi) are prestigious BECAUSE they are excellent community events and that is why i don&#8217;t mind paying for my own travel (as i would go nonetheless). </p>
<p>Now, i am happy for you that you can afford to give so much of your time and money to the ventures of others, but i am an independent consultant who has never had corporate dollars behind me. You make it sound as if asking for my travel expenses paid to Denver is asking someone to pay for a free holiday for me. I can assure you, sir, denver is not my idea of a holiday destination, especially in November&#8230;nor is speaking at a conference anything like a holiday. I happen to take such responsibilities very seriously. Like a job.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Kearns</title>
		<link>http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/08/conferences-and-community/comment-page-1/#comment-47750</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Kearns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 16:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, aren&#039;t we full of our own self importance! To think that someone would ask you to speak and not provide an all-expenses paid trip for you. But I see that, to get your name on the speaking program for events you feel are prestigious or reputation-enhancing (SxSW, Blogher) you don&#039;t mind forgoing payment. There are three possibilities when speaking at a conference:

1) you can have all expenses paid
2) you can get an all-conference pass comped
3) you can actually pay to get in

I&#039;ve done all three. It all depends on how much you care about the topic and the conference and what it&#039;s worth TO YOU to get your message out. 

You claim to understand the economics of organizing a conference, yet trash &lt;a href=&quot;http://defragcon.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;defrag&lt;/a&gt; without actually knowing anything about it or its organizers. I was also asked to speak there and had to decline because of a previous commitment. But had the time been available, I would have gone and would have spoken on my own dime. Why? Because its put on by good people, the topic is important and I&#039;d like to spread my ideas to the likely attendees. 

Like you, I&#039;m a big fish in a small pond. You need to remember that, when moving to a different pond, even for a visit, it&#039;s just like starting all over again.

If it&#039;s not right for you - for whatever reason - fine. But don&#039;t trash the people who are putting in the effort and don&#039;t denigrate those who do participate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, aren&#8217;t we full of our own self importance! To think that someone would ask you to speak and not provide an all-expenses paid trip for you. But I see that, to get your name on the speaking program for events you feel are prestigious or reputation-enhancing (SxSW, Blogher) you don&#8217;t mind forgoing payment. There are three possibilities when speaking at a conference:</p>
<p>1) you can have all expenses paid<br />
2) you can get an all-conference pass comped<br />
3) you can actually pay to get in</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done all three. It all depends on how much you care about the topic and the conference and what it&#8217;s worth TO YOU to get your message out. </p>
<p>You claim to understand the economics of organizing a conference, yet trash <a href="http://defragcon.com/" rel="nofollow">defrag</a> without actually knowing anything about it or its organizers. I was also asked to speak there and had to decline because of a previous commitment. But had the time been available, I would have gone and would have spoken on my own dime. Why? Because its put on by good people, the topic is important and I&#8217;d like to spread my ideas to the likely attendees. </p>
<p>Like you, I&#8217;m a big fish in a small pond. You need to remember that, when moving to a different pond, even for a visit, it&#8217;s just like starting all over again.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s not right for you &#8211; for whatever reason &#8211; fine. But don&#8217;t trash the people who are putting in the effort and don&#8217;t denigrate those who do participate.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Scruggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Scruggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 23:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe because he&#039;s never done that before and no one has complained? I&#039;ve spoken at tons of conferences and have never been reimbursed for travel except in one case (it was in New Zealand).

You&#039;ve already admitted that you didn&#039;t read the form. Fine. We all make mistakes like that from time to time. But there&#039;s a great deal of distance between that and therefore deciding that the conference organizer has dark motives.

If the two don&#039;t compute, sometimes that means your operating system has a bug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe because he&#8217;s never done that before and no one has complained? I&#8217;ve spoken at tons of conferences and have never been reimbursed for travel except in one case (it was in New Zealand).</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve already admitted that you didn&#8217;t read the form. Fine. We all make mistakes like that from time to time. But there&#8217;s a great deal of distance between that and therefore deciding that the conference organizer has dark motives.</p>
<p>If the two don&#8217;t compute, sometimes that means your operating system has a bug.</p>
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