Comments on: The World is Neither Flat nor Spiky, It is… http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/ a world uncommon Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:03:36 +0000 hourly 1 By: Vijay http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/comment-page-1/#comment-36904 Vijay Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:19:41 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/28/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/#comment-36904 Tara, I couldnt agree with you more. Growing up in the middle east as my parents were there, having lived in Ottawa (Canada) for about six years and returning to India and seeing where this nation full of dreamers are heading towards, I certainly do agree with you. I guess, it was the notice of this trend that inspired me and our team to work on Initiatives like Proto (http://www.proto.in/proto2007se/newsite/), because as you rightly pointed out...as we've forward, if we dont make the leap now, we are gonna have to go back from where we started. I really do hope, that we wont be playing that game of snakes and ladders. Thoughtful post. I will miss riya not being here though. Tara,

I couldnt agree with you more. Growing up in the middle east as my parents were there, having lived in Ottawa (Canada) for about six years and returning to India and seeing where this nation full of dreamers are heading towards, I certainly do agree with you. I guess, it was the notice of this trend that inspired me and our team to work on Initiatives like Proto (http://www.proto.in/proto2007se/newsite/), because as you rightly pointed out…as we’ve forward, if we dont make the leap now, we are gonna have to go back from where we started.

I really do hope, that we wont be playing that game of snakes and ladders.

Thoughtful post. I will miss riya not being here though.

]]> By: Ken http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/comment-page-1/#comment-32080 Ken Sun, 20 May 2007 19:21:12 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/28/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/#comment-32080 Kevin over at the Evolving Excellence blog moderated a panel discussion at Kellogg the other week on Onshoring and China. Onshoring: http://www.evolvingexcellence.com/blog/2007/05/a_tide_against_.html Perils of China: http://www.evolvingexcellence.com/blog/2007/05/littered_with_t.html But foreign companies are moving here, even in big steel: http://www.evolvingexcellence.com/blog/2007/05/nucor_look_over.html Ken Kevin over at the Evolving Excellence blog moderated a panel discussion at Kellogg the other week on Onshoring and China.

Onshoring:
http://www.evolvingexcellence.com/blog/2007/05/a_tide_against_.html

Perils of China:
http://www.evolvingexcellence.com/blog/2007/05/littered_with_t.html

But foreign companies are moving here, even in big steel:
http://www.evolvingexcellence.com/blog/2007/05/nucor_look_over.html

Ken

]]> By: vaspers the grate http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/comment-page-1/#comment-27043 vaspers the grate Sun, 06 May 2007 23:48:05 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/28/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/#comment-27043 Hi Miss Rogue! I follow you on Twitter. Enjoying your tweets. My Followers include David Weinberger, Zawodny, Scoble, Calacanis, Duncan Riley, etc. Love to have you on board the unpredictable Vaspers ship. twitter.com/vaspers Hi Miss Rogue!

I follow you on Twitter.

Enjoying your tweets.

My Followers include David Weinberger, Zawodny, Scoble, Calacanis, Duncan Riley, etc.

Love to have you on board the unpredictable Vaspers ship.

twitter.com/vaspers

]]> By: Martie http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/comment-page-1/#comment-26341 Martie Fri, 04 May 2007 16:11:11 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/28/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/#comment-26341 Tara, I know the Thomas Friedman has a revised version of his "World is Flat" book which addresses the 2.0 issues that he has experienced. I haven't read the 2.0 version. He said he even is coming out with a 3.0 version but his favorite is the 2.0 version. Have your looked at this yet? Also, a really good book to read on economics is "The Undercover Economist" by Tim Harford. It's a Businessweek Bestseller. You might enjoy this one too. As always, your blog is an interesting read. Thanks for the hard work you do to keep everyone infomred. Tara, I know the Thomas Friedman has a revised version of his “World is Flat” book which addresses the 2.0 issues that he has experienced. I haven’t read the 2.0 version. He said he even is coming out with a 3.0 version but his favorite is the 2.0 version. Have your looked at this yet?

Also, a really good book to read on economics is “The Undercover Economist” by Tim Harford. It’s a Businessweek Bestseller. You might enjoy this one too.
As always, your blog is an interesting read. Thanks for the hard work you do to keep everyone infomred.

]]> By: A/C http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/comment-page-1/#comment-26309 A/C Fri, 04 May 2007 14:05:46 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/28/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/#comment-26309 While there may be some great developers in India... I'm currently working on project where the development has been outsourced to India and the code being produced is shocking. It lacks quality, clarity and consistency and relies on out-of-date techniques. I think the cultural divide between the West and Asian English speaking countries is far wider than most people acknowledge. The better developers do seem to have had a large degree of exposure to Western culture/practise mainly through living here or working side-by-side with people who've lived over here. While there may be some great developers in India…

I’m currently working on project where the development has been outsourced to India and the code being produced is shocking.

It lacks quality, clarity and consistency and relies on out-of-date techniques.

I think the cultural divide between the West and Asian English speaking countries is far wider than most people acknowledge.

The better developers do seem to have had a large degree of exposure to Western culture/practise mainly through living here or working side-by-side with people who’ve lived over here.

]]> By: People are not widgets « Dyepot, Teapot http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/comment-page-1/#comment-25861 People are not widgets « Dyepot, Teapot Tue, 01 May 2007 16:16:59 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/28/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/#comment-25861 [...] to write about the commoditization of labor for a while, but the direct impetus for this post is Tara Hunt’s discussion of Riya’s decision to close their India office, and in general how outsourcing affects the [...] [...] to write about the commoditization of labor for a while, but the direct impetus for this post is Tara Hunt’s discussion of Riya’s decision to close their India office, and in general how outsourcing affects the [...]

]]> By: khansen http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/comment-page-1/#comment-25793 khansen Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:13:01 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/28/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/#comment-25793 I agree with your comments on the Canadian economy being export driven. I left Canada in the late 90's for economic reasons and returned last year for quality of life reasons -- and with the belief that in this "new, new world" location is less important than experience and network. Being shoulder to shoulder to such an expansive economy -- it's no wonder that Canada is focused on export -- yet I wonder what Canada would be like were this not the case? It's certainly hard to imagine. Kris I agree with your comments on the Canadian economy being export driven. I left Canada in the late 90′s for economic reasons and returned last year for quality of life reasons — and with the belief that in this “new, new world” location is less important than experience and network.

Being shoulder to shoulder to such an expansive economy — it’s no wonder that Canada is focused on export — yet I wonder what Canada would be like were this not the case? It’s certainly hard to imagine.

Kris

]]> By: Shreyas http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/comment-page-1/#comment-25756 Shreyas Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:32:11 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/28/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/#comment-25756 One thing which is important to notice is that the wage levels are very competitive if you want to hire the absolute best. There is still large number of employable average qualified workforce who work for 1/20th the salaries of their American/European counterparts. So although it might seem that India is suddenly a costly proposition, the real truth is most of the people who cost a lot are also extremely good in a cosmic sense. So low/middle level mass employers would still find India lucrative, its the companies which target the elite who are finding India expensive. The really talented people in India will either decide to start on their own or just migrate to places where they find exciting work. One thing which is important to notice is that the wage levels are very competitive if you want to hire the absolute best. There is still large number of employable average qualified workforce who work for 1/20th the salaries of their American/European counterparts. So although it might seem that India is suddenly a costly proposition, the real truth is most of the people who cost a lot are also extremely good in a cosmic sense.

So low/middle level mass employers would still find India lucrative, its the companies which target the elite who are finding India expensive.

The really talented people in India will either decide to start on their own or just migrate to places where they find exciting work.

]]> By: Amy Jo Kim http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/comment-page-1/#comment-25579 Amy Jo Kim Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:18:05 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/28/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/#comment-25579 Excellent, thought-provoking post - this dovetails with what I've been seeing and hearing from Web2.0 entrepreneurs. Is anyone else sniffing around this trend? Excellent, thought-provoking post – this dovetails with what I’ve been seeing and hearing from Web2.0 entrepreneurs. Is anyone else sniffing around this trend?

]]> By: Thor Muller http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/comment-page-1/#comment-25558 Thor Muller Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:15:11 +0000 http://www.horsepigcow.com/2007/04/28/the-world-is-neither-flat-nor-spiky-it-is/#comment-25558 I've been seeing the same thing with my developer friends in India, who still rely on bread and butter work from overseas, but are all investing their time in locally-focused web apps. There are a number of pressures beyond price inflation that have made outsourcing less attractive for many of us. Web app frameworks like Ruby on Rails have multiplied the productivity of creative developers, dimishing the benefits of commodity labor resources. Fast-paced, collaborative business practices increase the benefits of having a local, tight-knit team. Everyone who's tried outsourcing knows that the heavy spec requirements are the antithesis of agile. I’ve been seeing the same thing with my developer friends in India, who still rely on bread and butter work from overseas, but are all investing their time in locally-focused web apps.

There are a number of pressures beyond price inflation that have made outsourcing less attractive for many of us. Web app frameworks like Ruby on Rails have multiplied the productivity of creative developers, dimishing the benefits of commodity labor resources. Fast-paced, collaborative business practices increase the benefits of having a local, tight-knit team. Everyone who’s tried outsourcing knows that the heavy spec requirements are the antithesis of agile.

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