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	<title>Comments on: What Boutique is: part I</title>
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		<title>By: Bright Meadow &#187; Web 2.0, Archaeology, and Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bright Meadow &#187; Web 2.0, Archaeology, and Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It could also be argued that: Web 1.0 = big corporations etc trying to sell us stuff through the web Web 2.0 = everybody trying to sell things through the web, but developing &#8216;communities&#8217; of people in the process (Tara&#8217;s Boutique Era?) Web 3.0 = god alone knows. Snow Crash or something. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It could also be argued that: Web 1.0 = big corporations etc trying to sell us stuff through the web Web 2.0 = everybody trying to sell things through the web, but developing &#8216;communities&#8217; of people in the process (Tara&#8217;s Boutique Era?) Web 3.0 = god alone knows. Snow Crash or something. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for letting me know!
And not to worry, I see today why you&#039;ve been busy (congrats) :)

Looking forward to your response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for letting me know!<br />
And not to worry, I see today why you&#8217;ve been busy (congrats) <img src='http://www.horsepigcow.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Looking forward to your response.</p>
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		<title>By: bigsanford</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigsanford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan,
 Thanks for your questions - I DO plan on getting back to you with a more thoughtful reply- have just been busy.  Wanted to let you know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan,<br />
 Thanks for your questions &#8211; I DO plan on getting back to you with a more thoughtful reply- have just been busy.  Wanted to let you know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 03:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Busy weekend so it took me so it was difficult to find the time to focus my attention long enough to make a thoughtful (or hopefully thoughtful) response.

In terms of what commodity is, i&#039;d like to take a stab out a more simple definition as opposed to a narrowed one.
Commodity is to me, more or less, an item with various competitors competing almost solely on the basis of price with slight variations otherwise. 
Eg: Burger King vs. McDonalds.

Luxury is a good or service often, but always, given a higher price and that is more often than not consumed for the reason of image or personal reward (I deserve this luxury).

With this, boutique is about identity. The connection of who you are to what you consume. The non-verbal conversation of your identity.

@bigsandford: From your pdf, I&#039;d say i&#039;m a little confused.

Identification - Consumption is essentially product identity.
Identification - Production I am not exactly sure what you&#039;re getting at.

Customization - Production is basically have a product tailored according to ones specifications or identity?
Customization - Consumption is a special order (in the sense of say, a usual at the deli, or a coffee at coffee shop)?

An addition until I get your response (and while I continue to consider boutique) is a quote that pertains to commodity in terms of second-order identity (well described between first and second order, btw).
&quot; Like everyone else, I had become a slave to the IKEA nesting instinct. If I saw something like clever coffee table in the shape of a yin and yang, I had to have it. I would flip through catalogs and wonder, &quot;What kind of dining set defines me as a person?&quot; &quot; - Fightclub

I think the last line of that is perhaps the fundamental element of boutique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Busy weekend so it took me so it was difficult to find the time to focus my attention long enough to make a thoughtful (or hopefully thoughtful) response.</p>
<p>In terms of what commodity is, i&#8217;d like to take a stab out a more simple definition as opposed to a narrowed one.<br />
Commodity is to me, more or less, an item with various competitors competing almost solely on the basis of price with slight variations otherwise.<br />
Eg: Burger King vs. McDonalds.</p>
<p>Luxury is a good or service often, but always, given a higher price and that is more often than not consumed for the reason of image or personal reward (I deserve this luxury).</p>
<p>With this, boutique is about identity. The connection of who you are to what you consume. The non-verbal conversation of your identity.</p>
<p>@bigsandford: From your pdf, I&#8217;d say i&#8217;m a little confused.</p>
<p>Identification &#8211; Consumption is essentially product identity.<br />
Identification &#8211; Production I am not exactly sure what you&#8217;re getting at.</p>
<p>Customization &#8211; Production is basically have a product tailored according to ones specifications or identity?<br />
Customization &#8211; Consumption is a special order (in the sense of say, a usual at the deli, or a coffee at coffee shop)?</p>
<p>An addition until I get your response (and while I continue to consider boutique) is a quote that pertains to commodity in terms of second-order identity (well described between first and second order, btw).<br />
&#8221; Like everyone else, I had become a slave to the IKEA nesting instinct. If I saw something like clever coffee table in the shape of a yin and yang, I had to have it. I would flip through catalogs and wonder, &#8220;What kind of dining set defines me as a person?&#8221; &#8221; &#8211; Fightclub</p>
<p>I think the last line of that is perhaps the fundamental element of boutique.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dodds</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Dodds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bigsanford - I think there are many categories. The local bakery for example is definitely a boutique but the customer does not (pace birthday cakes etc) customise the  production in the way you laid out in the coffee example.

@ Tara - Grey areas should be avoided in my opinion. Yes some commodities can have boutique incarnations, but I sense that boutique items do not necessarilly have commodity incarations. I think the point about commodities is that higher price leads to lost sales whereas in the other categories higher price will not dissuade purchase (for different reasons).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bigsanford &#8211; I think there are many categories. The local bakery for example is definitely a boutique but the customer does not (pace birthday cakes etc) customise the  production in the way you laid out in the coffee example.</p>
<p>@ Tara &#8211; Grey areas should be avoided in my opinion. Yes some commodities can have boutique incarnations, but I sense that boutique items do not necessarilly have commodity incarations. I think the point about commodities is that higher price leads to lost sales whereas in the other categories higher price will not dissuade purchase (for different reasons).</p>
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		<title>By: bigsanford</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigsanford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ John Dodds:  Thanks for the kind words on the consumption/production grid.  I&#039;m certainly open to refining the consumer customization element.  Perhaps it would be helpful to provide some of those examples you were thinking of so we can flush it out.

With regard to the discussion of quality, as I indicated in the pdf, I don&#039;t think commodity is necessarily low quality. Some of what Ikea produces is the example I used there.  An additional example might be paper.*  I&#039;m sure most people would consider paper to be a commodity by almost any standard, and one can certainly purchase mass-produced, non-customized, non-participatory, BUT very high-quality papers.  Forget paper for writing or printing, maybe toilet paper hits closer to home!  Gas-station single ply and wash-cloth-thick Charmin Ultra both seem like commodities to me, but with significant quality differences (environmental concerns aside).

*Let&#039;s set aside any envir</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ John Dodds:  Thanks for the kind words on the consumption/production grid.  I&#8217;m certainly open to refining the consumer customization element.  Perhaps it would be helpful to provide some of those examples you were thinking of so we can flush it out.</p>
<p>With regard to the discussion of quality, as I indicated in the pdf, I don&#8217;t think commodity is necessarily low quality. Some of what Ikea produces is the example I used there.  An additional example might be paper.*  I&#8217;m sure most people would consider paper to be a commodity by almost any standard, and one can certainly purchase mass-produced, non-customized, non-participatory, BUT very high-quality papers.  Forget paper for writing or printing, maybe toilet paper hits closer to home!  Gas-station single ply and wash-cloth-thick Charmin Ultra both seem like commodities to me, but with significant quality differences (environmental concerns aside).</p>
<p>*Let&#8217;s set aside any envir</p>
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		<title>By: miss rogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>miss rogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John - I suppose that what I&#039;m assuming in the commodity = low quality is that, when a commodity pays attention to quality, it actually moves into the boutique level.

But perhaps I should have a couple of &#039;grey areas&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John &#8211; I suppose that what I&#8217;m assuming in the commodity = low quality is that, when a commodity pays attention to quality, it actually moves into the boutique level.</p>
<p>But perhaps I should have a couple of &#8216;grey areas&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dodds</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Dodds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much like David Sanford&#039;s grid in the pdf, but my immediate reaction to this is that the customer participation element of the customisation means that the boutique category is limited to &quot;products&quot; that are assembled post-order. I don&#039;t think that this applies to all the categories I would see as boutique but wonder if I&#039;m in the minority there?

Another quibble would come with the quality element of your commodity category - I think it&#039;s dangerous to assume that the assumption of good quality in niche and luxury products implies lower quality in more mass-produced categories.

Not only does the assumption of luxury=quality not always hold (as the skincream comment above illustrates), but the mass production=markedly lower quality is I feel also questionable. The standard economic definition of a commodity recognises this and I think it&#039;s possible to argue that in an advanced economy that there are mass-produced goods of high quality and specification which can only make a step-change in functionality or design via an increased cost. 

Thus these commodity goods compete almost exclusively on price but I&#039;m not convinced that they have to be low quality, inexpensive (except within their product category) or lacking detail. It&#039;s all relative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much like David Sanford&#8217;s grid in the pdf, but my immediate reaction to this is that the customer participation element of the customisation means that the boutique category is limited to &#8220;products&#8221; that are assembled post-order. I don&#8217;t think that this applies to all the categories I would see as boutique but wonder if I&#8217;m in the minority there?</p>
<p>Another quibble would come with the quality element of your commodity category &#8211; I think it&#8217;s dangerous to assume that the assumption of good quality in niche and luxury products implies lower quality in more mass-produced categories.</p>
<p>Not only does the assumption of luxury=quality not always hold (as the skincream comment above illustrates), but the mass production=markedly lower quality is I feel also questionable. The standard economic definition of a commodity recognises this and I think it&#8217;s possible to argue that in an advanced economy that there are mass-produced goods of high quality and specification which can only make a step-change in functionality or design via an increased cost. </p>
<p>Thus these commodity goods compete almost exclusively on price but I&#8217;m not convinced that they have to be low quality, inexpensive (except within their product category) or lacking detail. It&#8217;s all relative.</p>
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		<title>By: miss rogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>miss rogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 05:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Colin,

I say that &#039;quality varies&#039;, but that doesn&#039;t mean that luxury brands are all questionnable quality. Some, perhaps Hermes (I don&#039;t know, I can&#039;t afford to even step into a store), are incredibly high quality, with great attention to detail. Others aren&#039;t that great, but they are still symbols of status.

My best friend used to buy this $450 face cream at Holt Renfrew. A half a year later, she visited her Dermatologist, who told her that cream was doing terrible things to her skin and that it was full of bad chemicals (not the &#039;all natural ingredients&#039; they promised). Her dermatologist gave her a sample of cream that helped her clear up instantly...turns out you could buy it from natural food stores for about $15 a jar.

Yes, I admit that I&#039;m biased about luxury brands. I personally think they are a waste of money. I like nice, high quality stuff, and, though many luxury brands are, not all are. 

And, yes, the definition of a luxury brand (according to Trading Up) is the price point. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Colin,</p>
<p>I say that &#8216;quality varies&#8217;, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that luxury brands are all questionnable quality. Some, perhaps Hermes (I don&#8217;t know, I can&#8217;t afford to even step into a store), are incredibly high quality, with great attention to detail. Others aren&#8217;t that great, but they are still symbols of status.</p>
<p>My best friend used to buy this $450 face cream at Holt Renfrew. A half a year later, she visited her Dermatologist, who told her that cream was doing terrible things to her skin and that it was full of bad chemicals (not the &#8216;all natural ingredients&#8217; they promised). Her dermatologist gave her a sample of cream that helped her clear up instantly&#8230;turns out you could buy it from natural food stores for about $15 a jar.</p>
<p>Yes, I admit that I&#8217;m biased about luxury brands. I personally think they are a waste of money. I like nice, high quality stuff, and, though many luxury brands are, not all are. </p>
<p>And, yes, the definition of a luxury brand (according to Trading Up) is the price point. <img src='http://www.horsepigcow.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Colin Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 05:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tara .... While I generally buy the thread you are on here, I disagree with the luxury assessment here.  &quot;Quality varies &amp; over priced.&quot; sounds emotional to me.

You don&#039;t have to like Hermes, for example, but you can&#039;t question the quality.  I think the differentiator of luxury is the antithesis of some of the points made there.  

Boutique would land more in the space of a niche provider that understands how to provide one service (only Birkin and no others might be an example) for an astonishingly low price, yet achieve 90% of the quality.

To me, boutique is all abut focus on certain core elements and doing those really well.  (Moleskine, W Hotels, Audi cars etc.)

Just some thoughts ....

Colin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tara &#8230;. While I generally buy the thread you are on here, I disagree with the luxury assessment here.  &#8220;Quality varies &amp; over priced.&#8221; sounds emotional to me.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to like Hermes, for example, but you can&#8217;t question the quality.  I think the differentiator of luxury is the antithesis of some of the points made there.  </p>
<p>Boutique would land more in the space of a niche provider that understands how to provide one service (only Birkin and no others might be an example) for an astonishingly low price, yet achieve 90% of the quality.</p>
<p>To me, boutique is all abut focus on certain core elements and doing those really well.  (Moleskine, W Hotels, Audi cars etc.)</p>
<p>Just some thoughts &#8230;.</p>
<p>Colin</p>
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